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Written by Amy Mayhew
Wednesday, February 24 2010

HOLLY, Michigan – In January, Councilman Bill Kuyk filed a complaint with the Michigan State Police regarding what he claims was an Open Meeting Act violation during a Public Works committee meeting. But two months and $775 later, council members are still expressing concern about it.

Kuyk and village resident Jackie Campbell filed formal complaints with the Michigan State Police after a Jan. 5 committee meeting, where they said Councilman Don Winglemire, the committee chairman, allowed Councilwoman Reisa Hamilton to sit at the meeting table in order to view sensitive water and sewer billing material. The complaints claimed this action created a quorum.

Michigan State Police Det. Gary Muir sent the case onto Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper. Cooper and John Slevin, chief of District Courts for the Prosecutor’s Office, conducted an investigation into the allegations and on Jan. 29, denied Kuyk and Campbell’s complaints.

“We found absolutely no evidence that there was a violation of the Open Meetings Act,” Cooper said in January. “There is nothing that was done at least in the evidence that was presented to us that would mandate or suggest that there was a violation of the Act.”


At the request of Village President Pete Clemens, Clerk Treasurer Susan Nassar said legal costs incurred by the village as a result of the investigation into OMA violation issue amounted to $775, but that the figure did not include additional time spent by staff on the matter.

“The people of this village are going to receive a bill for $775 because of this allegation,” Clemens said. “My concern is, Mr. Kuyk, that you have made allegations against this council before and they have been investigated before,” he said. “They have all been rejected, and yet you continue to go down this path.”  Clemens said the January OMA incident was the third or fourth incident in which Kuyk had been involved during his tenure on council.

While Clemens said $775 isn’t a substantial amount of money, it is money the village shouldn’t have to waste on “groundless accusations.”

“They were not groundless accusations,” Kuyk fired back. Kuyk said several officials told him the charges were valid including the Attorney General for the state of Michigan, and Muir.

“The prosecuting attorney had the choice of prosecuting or dropping the charges and she chose to drop the charges,” Kuyk said. “I do believe she dropped the charges because she assumed the village is a general law village – if the village was a general law village, there was no foul.”

Kuyk said because the village of Holly is a “home rule” village, the Charter specifically defines a quorum, and that the law was violated in that way. “I didn’t cause the foul – the people who were in the committee caused the foul,” he said.

With four or more council members in attendance at a committee meeting, Kuyk insists Hamilton should have verbally proclaimed that she was in attendance at the meeting in the capacity of a citizen, and never been allowed to sit at the table with the others.

“That was never done,” Kuyk said. “Read the Charter, dude.”

“Mr. Kuyk, I’m trying to be respectful,” Clemens said. “I wish you would do the same.”

“You’re accusing me of doing something I didn’t do,” Kuyk said. “The people that did it were Ms. Hamilton and Don Winglemire – if she had just said, ‘I’m here as a private citizen,’ and sat back with everyone else, it would have been over, but she didn’t,” he said. “I’m not going to allow you to demean me in front of this town because you think I charged $775 – I did not.”

Clemens said Kuyk made the original request to Village Manager Marsha Powers that the village attorney be required to attend the Jan. 12 Village Council meeting. Powers, in turn, passed along Kuyk’s request to Clemens.

“Had I known you had already filed charges, I would have said ‘no’,” Clemens said. “It was pointless to bring the attorney in there since you had already filed charges.”

Under Michigan law, Kuyk said he felt obligated to report the incident to the authorities.  “According to the OMA, if you do not file and you believe there is a foul, you can also be held responsible,” Kuyk said. “I had to do that to protect myself. I was told to do that by the state’s Attorney General so that’s just too bad – if you don’t know how to conduct a meeting, shame on you.”

Clemens explained his reasoning behind rehashing the entire incident. “I think, frankly, that the people of this community deserve a break, and I think that you should compensate them.”

“I’m not going to compensate them,” Kuyk exploded. “I did not incur the costs – you did.” Kuyk said he never received a call from the village attorney on the matter. “He could have called me for five minutes and had the thing all out there, but he never called. I’m not paying anything at all. Period. End of story.”

After several more minutes of arguing, Councilman Tom McKenney said he felt pursing the matter any further would be futile. “Mr. Clemens, I don’t think Mr. Kuyk is going to pay the bill,” he said. “And I don’t think we can make him pay the bill.”

“I absolutely will not pay the bill,” Kuyk said. “Ms. Hamilton and Don Winglemire should pay the bill.”

With that, Clemens made a motion that council ask Kuyk to compensate village citizens $775 for an OMA violation that had no merit.

By a vote of 4-3, the motion passed with Kuyk, Councilwoman Sandra Kleven and McKenney casting the dissenting votes.

It was Kuyk who had the final word before Clemens adjourned the meeting. “I think council needs to pay attention to the Charter of this village and conduct business in accordance with that,” he said. “Your vendetta against a council member trying to do his duty under the law is shameful.”

Kleven said following the Jan. 5 committee meeting, she had done a little research on the OMA. “While they weren’t in direct violation with the OMA, I just feel Mr. Kuyk had the right to question it,” Kleven said after the vote. “Just like everybody else.”

On Wednesday, McKenney said his first thought was to table the motion. “I wanted all of us and especially Mr. Kuyk to think about the episode,” he said. “That was what I intended just before Mr. Clemens and I agreed that the motion asking Mr. Kuyk to pay was futile,” he added. “My second through prevailed – move on.”

McKenney also said he hopes his fellow council members will further reflect on the incident. “Council members should, in the words of Jiminy Cricket, let their conscience be their guide,” he said. “And there may be a price to pay for such endeavors, which may include attorney fees.”

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0 #1 Jim Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
Any Village Council member that so willfully costs the village money should not be forced to pay it back. They should be publicly censured for the behavior
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0 #2 Bob Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
Just because the Village may or may not have 'known' there was no violation is moot... they HAD to call the attorney because Kuyk filed the complaint. The damage at that point had already been done.

I don't understand why you would single out the village president for doing what he thought was in the best interests of the Village?
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0 #3 Holly Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
So if the Village knew there was no violation why did they call the attorney and waste the money? Mr. Clemons seems to spend a lot of his time slinging mud at one person or another. Lets work together to make Holly a good place to live.
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0 #4 TIM Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
MR.KUYK IF YOU ARE AS CONCERNED WITH HOLLY,AS YOU CLAIM,YOU WILL PAY THIS BILL OF YOURS AND NOT DUMP IT ON US TAXPAYERS!!!THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR MUST STOP IF HOLLY IS TO GROW AND PROSPER.MAYBE YOUR TIME ON COUNCIL IS OVER...
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0 #5 Redmond Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
When is the Village Council going to grow up and focus on the community issues? This is why Holly is where it is. We need a new board and people that will fix things, not complain about things.
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0 #6 Ryan Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
I have a question for both Mr. Clemens and Mr. Kuyk. Although I understand the principle and symbolism behind this whole situation from both sides, my question is--how did either reporting the OMA allegations, or rehashing this in council, help the Village residents?

Did any Village residents unfairly get the shaft because Ms. Hamilton sat at the table at a committee meeting? Were shady deals conducted? Was there graft and corruption abound?

At the same time, I recognize the council's prerogative to discuss and act on anything they so desire, but did a discussion leading to a non-binding, unenforcible decision serve any purpose? Was it followed by, or take the place of, discussions regarding brownfield redevelopment (you know, to make Holly a more attractive place to live), or options for tax abatements to attract green industry (you know, to provide jobs to the Hollyites who are unemployed), or strategic discussions on how to increase the tax base (you know, to increase usage on the water system)?

Good government has multiple aspects.
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0 #7 Robert Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
I think Pete Clemens deserves praise in this case for bringing the issue up even though I'm sure he knew it wouldn't go anywhere. These people need to be called out when they pull this stuff. I hope other Villagers are paying attention to this sort of thing and keeping track of who the people are. Perhaps more of us should attend council meetings simply to give Kuyk the attention he so desperately seems to need. Then maybe he wouldn't feel the need to pull these stunts and it would save us money.
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0 #8 Jason Hughes Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
I was thinking about this some more and I am wondering, if Mr. Kuyk so vehemently believed that there was a violation (enough to imply that the county prosecuter and the chief of district courts are ignorant of the law or don't "know the law worth a hoot"), would he champion the cause on his own dime or does he not believe in it that much?

If this is truly the third or fourth time that he has filed allegations against the council and after each investigation it was determined there was no violation, maybe it isn't everyone else who is ignorant of the law... Maybe a mandatory workshop is required?

What I do know is that $775 + other expenses x 3 = a nice market survey, a good portion towards a decent fireworks display or even a substantial amount to the adaptability study for the village offices...
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0 #9 Bob Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
I think Mr Kuyk and Mr. Clemens should kiss and make up before any other bad blood is spilled on the village residents. This matter should have never been sent to the Prosecuting Attorney in the first place. Mr. Kuyk if you thought there was a violation of the open meeting act then you should have walked away from the table until only the rightful people were sitting there.
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0 #10 Jason Hughes Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
Wasn't Mr. Kuyk and Ms. Campbell told that there was no violation first by the Holly PD during their first attempt to report this? If they were told there wasn't a violation why did they continue until they found someone who would take their side?

I am not sure if I am remembering this correctly, but in the previous article I believe it said Mr. Kuyk and Ms. Campbell attemted to report the violation to the Holly PD first. If anything, when the Holly PD stated there wasn't a violation, doesn't this remove any liability of Mr. Kuyk?

It just seems this effort to report the violation went farther than necessary.
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0 #11 Jason Hughes Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
All things considered, it doesn't sound like a shining moment for Holly...

It probably wasn't necessary for the situation to be pushed further and a vote requested regarding whether the council felt Mr. Kuyk should repay the money. It obviously wasn't going to happen and putting other council members into the situation will likely create/increase division and animosity to some extent. Mr. Clemens was expressing the same feelings of some of his constituents however.

On the other hand the way Mr. Kuyk has responded to the situation, speaking negatively about the county prosecuters and others publicly, isn't helping either (and in my opinion is a poor way to represent the community).

Time to put the bruised egos aside and continue working towards the future of Holly. Let the voters decide this fall who may or may not be representing the communities best interests in a professional and respectful way. Hopefully with everything that is happening and with enough voters paying attention positive changes can be made on the council.
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0 #12 Bob Tuesday, February 07 2012 11:28am
Ryan, I believe what you called 'rehashing' did in fact help the Village residents. Pete Clemens was doing his job by making a motion to have Kuyk repay the Village for monies he wasted in instigating this problem with the Village.

Perhaps more should be done in the future by council people to prevent costs like this occurring... it was a ridiculous situation all the way around.
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