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Written by Amy Mayhew
Thursday, December 27 2012

Signed into law last spring, G...

HOLLY TOWNSHIP, Michigan – Holly Township officials won’t be participating in Public Act 152 after four of the five member board voted in favor of opting out of the mandate during its Dec. 19 meeting.

Signed into law last spring, Gov. Rick Snyder says PA 152 is needed to bring a “fair and equitable approach that brings public employee benefits more in line with the private sector.”  Snyder maintains that getting these unsustainable costs under control now helps ensure Michigan’s long-term future, and will allow all Michigan citizens to move forward together.


Effective Jan. 1, PA 152 puts a limit or a “hard cap” on the amount a public employer such as a city, county or township can pay for employees’ health benefits. Under the law, employees are responsible for paying 20 percent of their healthcare premiums. As such, public employers are limited from paying more than $5,692.50 for health benefits annually for a single employee, $11,385 for an employee and his/her spouse, or $15,525 for family coverage.

Clerk Karin Winchester

During the Dec. 19 meeting, Clerk Karin Winchester said the “hard cap” amount is determined by multiplying the dollar amount as specified by the law, by the number of township employees falling within each of the respective categories. While Winchester didn’t have the exact Holly Township figures available, she assured board members that the township falls under the hard cap as specified by the law.

“I know in the case of the North Oakland County Fire Authority, we made the choice to opt out because we only have two individuals who are covered by the plan, and they worked with the insurance agent to find a plan that save us the same amount that they would have to pay in, so we decided to postpone putting the 20-percent into effect because they had already done work to achieve the difference,” Trustee Janet Leslie said.

Winchester said Holly Township had taken similar measures.

“Refresh my memory – how much did we save by making that change?” Leslie asked.

“I want to say $20,000 but I’d have to look – actually, we did it a couple years in a row,” Winchester said, adding that even though the township falls under the hard cap, the board doesn’t necessarily have to opt out.

“Personally, I don’t believe that the state should be mandating what the people do with their employees anyway,” Winchester said.  “It should be up to the local units of government that hire people – you negotiate with your employees to keep them.”

Janet Leslie


“My only concern, and I think part of the reason why the bill passed to require 20 percent is because it’s still less than what many employees would have to pay for their medical expenses in private industry,” Leslie said. “I like the intent that people who are elected officials shouldn’t have better benefits than those who can’t afford them – the tax payers,” she added. “But if we’ve already saved that money, I wish we had something in front of us that we could take a look at.”

With that, Winchester made the motion to opt out of PA 152. The motion was supported by Treasurer Mark Freeman.

“I just want to say in full disclosure to the board that I don’t feel comfortable in voting on this without having the numbers in front of me and knowing what the difference would be in terms of what the township has to pay for medical coverage – what we saved, or where we were before, and what people have to pay because the employees are not providing that 20 percent,” Leslie said. “I don’t feel comfortable voting on this until I see those numbers.”

Supervisor Dale Smith asked Winchester if the matter could be postponed. Winchester said the board had until Jan. 1 to render its decision.

“I understand your concerns, and certainly I think a lot of people would echo that sentiment,” Trustee Mark Cornwell said. “But it does sound as if we are under the hard cap, and if we are under the hard cap – we are meeting the spirit of this, and that’s good.”

In a vote of 4-1, Holly Township officials voted in favor of opting out of PA 152 with Leslie casting the dissenting vote.

Comments   

 
#1 Joe 2012-12-28 01:51
Am I missing something here?

So PA152 allows public officials to opt-out of the legislation that would potentially reduce their own benefits?

Then the point of it is?
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#2 C. Rankin 2012-12-28 10:17
One would hope that the people making these decisions for the various communities around the state are not covered by the plans about which they are deciding. That would be a very obvious conflict of interest.

I don't think that the Village of Holly provides medical benefits for their elected Council, but I'm not sure if the Township Board works in the same way.

Maybe someone else can chime in with some knowledge of whether the folks voting to opt out of this Act have their medical benefits through the Township.
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#3 Two50r22 2012-12-28 10:35
So the law was passed over 6 months ago and Winchester didn't have any numbers for the board to base the last minute decision on, i wonder what the clerk gets paid for.
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#4 Darrin 2012-12-28 10:58
Why would someone make a motion to opt out of something but not have some of the facts and figures to make an informed decision? I am all for swift decision making, but part of making such decisions is being prepared. Let's hope we got it right.
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#5 amayhew 2012-12-28 12:57
According to Trustee Janet Leslie, the supervisor, the clerk, the treasurer and both the deputy treasurer and deputy clerk are eligible for the healthcare benefits. Trustee Leslie said Deputy Treasurer Janice Nash declined the healthcare benefits.
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#6 Frank Sweeney 2012-12-28 13:33
Let me see if I understand this. They waited until the last meeting of the year to put this on the agenda. Three out of 5 people voting on it get their healthcare benefits from the township. The clerk didn’t provide the actual numbers for comparison, and they had no choice but to vote on it because of time constraints? Sorry but for me, this one doesn’t pass the sniff test.
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#7 Tony E. 2012-12-28 15:57
I am not a fan of Federal/State government telling local government how to spend their money. However on the flip side with so many cities in Michigan crying poor, mismanaging money and then begging the state for relief I can understand why the state is asking local government to put some of the costs on their employees.
So the question is...why is this something that can be opted out of? This is something that should be the same in every community across the state.
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#8 hollyshopper 2012-12-28 21:43
According to an article posted here about the candidates' debate, in response to a question about adding two trustees to the board Dale Smith said, “It just doesn’t make sense to me at this point when the economy has been struggling as it has since, say, 2007 or 2008, to add to board members...I’m not sure why we’d want to add the cost of that at this point...Just because you add two more people, doesn’t mean there will be improvement over how Holly Township is run – bigger doesn’t mean better and at this point, I just don’t think it’s worth the expense.” So bigger doesn't mean better unless it's big government spending that benefits him and only three or four other people? This issue illustrates exactly why we should have four trustees on the board. With a majority of board members receiving salaries and benefits, they're ALWAYS going to vote in favor of increasing those salaries and benefits. If the majority was with the non-salaried trustees who are not eligible for benefits, there might be some measure of control. I agree with the governor-- government employees should not have better benefits than the taxpayers they serve.
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#9 Fern 2012-12-29 16:32
Why would the supervisor get medical benefits in the first place? I didn't think that was a full time position. Is Dale in the office 30+ hours a week?
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#10 Ann 2013-01-07 13:32
Fern,

Glad you have asked that question, I believe that although the position is part time Mr. Smith not only get's his bennies but will qualify to receive them for life due to his being elected for a certain number of terms.

We really miss having Mr. Lambert in office. His honesty and integrity is something our board will lack for the next 4 years. I assume this was the reason for the push to add 2 more members to the board, the additional 2 members would have brought well needed balance to the board.
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#11 Janet Leslie 2013-01-08 14:17
I appreciate the comments posted here, and would like to remind all interested persons that the next regular meeting of the Holly Township Board of Trustees will be Wednesday, January 16 at 6:30pm in the Holly Township Hall in downtown Holly at the corner of South Saginaw and Civic Drive. As always, an opportunity for public comment is provided at both the beginning and end of the meeting.
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#12 Mark Freeman 2013-01-09 10:33
In 2009, Holly Township eliminated all lifetime health benefits. There are no health benefits after retiring. Former Treasurer, Bernice Alexander, is the only person receiving post retirement health benefits, (Medicare supplimental)and she will be the last. She served 35 years as treasurer.
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#13 Ann 2013-01-14 12:18
Thank you for clarifying that Mr. Freeman, I missed that change in 2009. So our elected official don't have any access to the benefits provided as part of there stay in any way?
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#14 Janet Leslie 2013-01-14 23:53
Ann, I believe Mr. Freeman was referring to lifetime healthcare benefits. The supervisor, clerk, and treasurer receive full healthcare benefits while they are in office, but since 2009, they are not eligible for those benefits after leaving office. The supervisor, clerk, and treasurer do, however, receive a pension based on years of service.
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#15 Holly 2013-01-18 17:23
Janet didn't you vote in favor of opting out on this very same thing on the NOCFA Board?
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#16 Linus 2013-01-18 18:59
Holly, the difference in Ms. Leslie's vote on NOCFA and the Township board is that with NOCFA there is not a quorum on the board that are personally receiving the benefits from the vote. Not the case at all in the Township. The Supervisor, Clerk and Treasurer all get access to the healthcare benefits that they vote on. Given that the board has only five members, the three of them are a quorum and can vote themselves anything that they want. There was an initiative on the ballot to add two more trustees so that this group would not be a quorum, but we the voters (aka enablers of this idiocy) voted it down and thus they are free to do as they please.

Thank you Janet for providing some reasonable thought process in the mix. When is Cornwell going to wake up and see what is happening? I thought more of him when I was voting.
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#17 Linus 2013-01-18 19:00
The quorum will also bite us for Open Meetings Act (OMA) violations sooner or later. Reference the accusations of other township residents from this week's meeting. Just a matter of time folks. It is coming and we will all have to pay for it.
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#18 Janet Leslie 2013-01-19 11:14
Holly, thank you for your question.

As you may know, over the last four years of my service to Holly Township, at nearly every budget workshop and at every discussion of employee benefits for both the township and the fire authority, I have shared my concern that the taxpayers should not be compelled to provide better benefits than they themselves receive from their own employers. I am grateful that the governor and the state legislature now agree, and have passed Public Act 152.

My inclination for both the township and NOCFA was to vote against opting out, and I expressed my concerns in the public meetings of both boards. But given that Chief Lintz had prepared and delivered a well-thought-out argument based on the savings he had sought from NOCFA’s insurance provider, I voted with the NOCFA board. I was persuaded by the fact that Lintz had done his due diligence and was thorough in presenting his case. Additionally, the NOCFA board discussed implementing the 20% in stages, starting next year, which indicated to me that the NOCFA board understood the intent of Act 152 and had intentions of complying.

While I am a person of very strong convictions, I am willing to compromise when those holding the opposing view are willing to compromise as well.
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#19 Fern 2013-01-19 16:17
Of course the fire chief made a good case to the fire board. He has to, he's an employee. He can't just vote himself the beneftis he wants. but Smith, Winchester, and Freeman can! They have a majority on the board. They just do what they want and don't think they have to justify it. No wonder they didn't want those extra two members on the township board. They ALL spoke up against it at election time, and now we know why!
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#20 Phil 2013-01-19 18:56
As I recall, the community as a whole agreed that they didn't want - or need - two more members on the township board. Isn't that how democracy works? Majority rules.
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#21 TheDuke 2013-01-20 09:48
Linus, give Mr. Cornwell a chance here. He has been to only two board meetings and is learning the ropes. I am sure that he will do fine once he gets up to speed on the issues.
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#22 Fern 2013-01-20 13:29
Majority rules, Phil, but that doesn't mean you only get two tries. Teh Seneca Falls Convention was in 1848, but women didn't get the right to vote until 1920. Change takes time, and requires awareness of the dangers of not changing. I think our awareness is growing.
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#23 Mark Freeman 2013-01-22 12:27
Health benefits are just one componet of the complete compensation package for Holly Township elected officials and employees. In April of each year the Holly Township Board holds a budget workshop to formulate a budget for the next fiscal year. The complete compensation package is discussed thoroughly. The public is welcome to attend. Ms.Leslie attended the 2012 workshop and she voted yes to approve the 2012-2013 budget.
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