Village Manager Marsha Powers ... HOLLY, Michigan – With $3,492,221 of total revenues in the village’s adopted budget, Village Manager Marsha Powers said projections of an 11.1 percent cut in state revenue sharing will leave the village with a $68,626 budget shortfall.
Village Council members met in a work session Tuesday evening to discuss ways in which they can bring the budget back into balance.
Powers said additional insurance costs for Teamsters employees as well as the legal fees for their contract negotiations added $34,650 onto this year’s proposed expenditures. Additionally, a tax adjustment for a village parcel sold through a tax sale, which was originally covered by the county, was charged back to the village in the amount of $11,356.
On the positive side, Powers said council had come up with a few ways to save money. “The fire truck – we paid that payment out of the motor pool so that saves $40,123 that was originally budgeted,” she said. “We got the $2,500 grant from Consumers Power for the trees, and if we look to not participate in the Tri Party Program this year, that’s $9,236.”
The adjusted proposed expenditures, according to Powers is $3,486,270, rendering the village a shortage of $62,675.
“I think council pretty much knows the budget was put together without extras – we took out training, we took out any memberships that we don’t need to have, we took out projects other than maintenance that we felt we needed to do to the buildings to just keep things to the point that down the road we wouldn’t have to do twice as much,” Powers said.
Powers said in addition to everything else, the village had an additional payment for the upcoming year for the new heating and cooling system at the village offices. “We all know where that boiler system was – it was a hazard,” she said.
“We feel that we’d rather have all our employees than see an employee totally laid off,” Powers said before addressing proposed staffing reductions in the way of reducing hours worked per week.
Reducing 2.5 hours a week per employee, according to Powers could save the village $3,042.84 per month, or a total of $12,932 for the current fiscal year, November through June. Accordingly, a 4-hour reduction per week, per employee would save $4,868.54 per month or $20,691 from November through June, and an 8-hour reduction per week, per employee would save $9,737.07 per month or $41,383 for the rest of the fiscal year.
Powers said she has a meeting set up with a union representative for Oct. 27 at which time she will discuss possible hourly reductions for village employees.
“I did write a letter to the union and am meeting with that representative next Tuesday because we do need to get union approval in order to cut employees’ hours,” she said. “I did reiterate to him that obviously we want to keep people working even if it’s at a reduced amount of hours.”
Additionally, Powers said she and department heads discussed possible position eliminations, including the police department’s lieutenant position currently staffed by Lt Det. Scott Fischer.
“We would be looking at eliminating the lieutenant position but making an offer that Scott Fischer would return to sergeant status and one of the sergeants would be laid off,” Powers said.
“You’re looking at eliminating a position from the police department when the police department recently went through contract negotiations – they bargained in good faith,” Fischer said. “Everyone in the department took a pay freeze and a reduction in benefits and yet we’re the ones getting hit or eliminating the only position.”
Councilwoman Reisa Hamilton also had her reservations about possible police cuts. “If we’re hoping to be able to contract with the township at some point, we can’t afford to let an officer go right now,” she said. “We need them.”
Councilman Bill Kuyk said if the village were to strike a deal with the township, he didn’t think that would happen until next year.
Powers said she spoke with Village President Pete Clemens, who indicated that the police services agreement was, “pretty much a dead issue.”
“It was something about the Holly Township Public Safety Committee making some counter offer for $98,000 and I told him we didn’t have any of that information unless they discuss it at the township meeting tomorrow night,” Powers said.
In a letter to Powers dated Oct. 12, Holly Township Public Safety Committee members Mike Gould and Mark Diaz asked council to consider a counter offer of $98,000 for the extension of police services to the township’s proposed Special Assessment District.
“We plan to schedule another community meeting as soon as possible to review both bids and the scopes of services offered,” the letter read in reference to the original bids received from the Village of Holly and the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office. “However, in order to maximize our chance of success, we wish to counter your proposal of $107, 114 with $98,000 which we believe would be far more palatable to the residents.”
“We haven’t received a bid from the township for a contract on police services, have we?” Councilman Tom McKenney asked Powers.
Powers said the village had not received any correspondence from the Holly Township Public Safety Committee or the township.
“You can’t have an intergovernmental agreement by yourself,” McKenney said. “You’ve got to have the township, so I’m going to keep asking that question.”
“Well, it is what it is and if they want it, that’s the price,” Hamilton agreed
Transfers from the general fund, according to Powers, are another budgeting hurdle faced by the village. Powers said routine transfers to the parks, cemetery, major and local streets and building department add up to a lot of expenditures.
Powers said eliminating Porta Johns from all parks, and limiting mowing to one to two times per month instead of weekly could add up to a savings of $16,000.
“The mowing contract is around $22,000,” Powers said. “They mow all the right of ways, all the parks, all the lift stations, the fire department – basically all the buildings and grounds of the village."
Winglemire eventually made a motion to hold off on any budgeting decisions until Powers has the chance to speak with union officials regarding possible hourly reductions.
“Obviously, it isn’t easy having to be in this position and do this, but we aren’t alone,” Powers said. “Every community is going through the same thing – Troy is looking at cutting work staff in half, but for us this may be a Band Aid for now,” she added. “Come July, if we look at another $145,000 to $150,000 in tax revenue loss, we won’t have 2 mills of police money, and we’ll be almost $300,000 short come the 2010-2011 budget.”
Powers is expected to give council members an update at the next Village Council meeting scheduled for Oct. 27.
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Here's a sampling: Carry Nation Festival Committee (next meeting: March 20 at 9:30 am at Holly Township Library), Dickens Festival Committee, DDA Organization Committee, DDA Promotions Committee, DDA Design Committee, DDA Economic Restructuring Committee, and the Holly Area Economic Development Task Force (next meeting April 6 at 7pm in Council Chambers).
You can join the EDTF simply by e-mailing me at jaleslie
If you are interested in serving as an appointee on a board or commission, such as the DDA Board of Directors, village planning commission, township planning commission, village ZBA, township ZBA, or village historic district commission, the village requires that an applicant fill out a citizen participation form, and the township generally requires a letter of intent sent to the supervisor.
Beyond that, there are lots of other local agencies that could use some help, such as the Holly Area Youth Coalition, Holly Area Youth Assistance, and Christmas in Action.
Thanks for posing the question.
Regardless, both are considered acceptable. It seems to always come up though, just like the spelling of Bronchos.
1) I don't understand your question or what relevance it has.
2) If you have knowledge of someone stealing from the DPW and evidence pertaining thereto, please forward your information to the Village of Holly Police Department for investigation.
3) The Question of Cityhood has only been voted on one time via a referendum vote back in 2002. There have been a number of cityhood efforts dating back to the 1920's that have broken down at various stages in the process, but there has been only one referendum vote. And frankly seven years later and with such a dramatic change in our states economy and the housing market that vote can hardly be thought of as still being relevant.
4) The Village Council does not and could not possibly critique every move that the Manager makes. The Manager is responsible for dozens of decisions every day most of which the Council never hears about. However it is important to remember that the Manager, Clerk/Treasurer and Attorney are employees of the Village Council and the Council has oversight over all matters that affect the bottom line of the Village's budget.
5) I don't know that I would call the Union Steward's comments bickering; never-the-less statements made during the public comment portion of the agenda are allowed by a myriad number of laws. Lastly if thereâà¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ãà ‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s any bickering to be done it shouldn't be done in the office either, it should be done at the bargaining table.
I hope my answers were helpful.
#2 why is the DPW employee that is stealing left and right still employed?
#3 You are wrong about how many times cityhood vote has been on the ballot.
#4 Why does the council have to critique every move that a Village manager makes? If the person was hired because of qualifications, then let them do the job. Why was the union steward allowed to bicker at a council meeting? This should all be done in the office.
The Village has only voted once on the cityhood issue and was defeated largely because of a well run campaign of lies and falsehoods. I'll ask you the same question that Mike was unable to answer regarding the poor job that we have done governing, give an example or two, more if you can.
Grossly mismanaged? I'd love an example or two, more if you can.
However, a golf tournament could be an excellent fundraiser for the festival earlier in the season.
Now-- how do we get participants in addition to the usual local suspects who play in all the other golf tournaments in Holly?
Softball games can be afternoon or evening on multiple days. And again, tournament-minded golfers have a great deal of disposable income.
Is there disagreement between the Village Council and the Township Board? Of course there is. But you can find disagreement just between our seven Council members. Seven people, seven opinions, but in the end we still manage to get the job done. Iââà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã¢à ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¾Ã‚¢ve said it before and Iââà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã¢à ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¾Ã‚¢ll say it againâà¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ãà ¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¦Disagreement leads to compromise and compromise builds strong legislation. I couldnâà¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã ¢â€žÂ¢t give a hoot in hell for a bunch of yes men who agree on everything and question nothing; you need look no further than your water bill to see what a disaster that kind of undertaking produces.
I suppose it depends on which side of the fence that youââà ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã ¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¾Ã‚¢re sitting on as to who the stone throwers are. I disagree with your assertion that something is âââ €šÂ¬Ã†¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…“brokenÃÆ⠀™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬ šÂ¬Ã‚Âà ‚ in the relationship between the two governments. The Village and Township have a more open dialog today than we have had in decades; we often cooperate on programs that are mutually beneficial to the community as a whole. Specific issues such as water and sewer and police services are still being negotiated, and neither side has left the table.
Your metaphors about sale signs are weak and out of context. This would imply that the village has an opportunity to make up the loss on the police services in another area.
Mr. Clemens, surely you recognize that there is something 'broken' with the relationship between the two governments and that despite the recent growth of new businesses, things have yet to improve between the Township and the Village.
Perhaps not officially, but personally, wouldn't you believe that life would improve in Holly if there were one government, whether it be cityhood or some other better, more efficient form of government?
Here are a couple of facts that may help your thinking process. First a Home Ruled Village cannot be disincorporated. Second a Chartered Township is considered the weakest form of government, and receives the least amount of return on the dollar from Lansing of any of the three forms of government. Third the relationship between the Village and the Township can hardly be portrayed as the "Dark Ages". This kind of negative glass half empty attitude does nothing to add to the debate. And lastly look around the area, a lot of new businesses have opened up lately. It's hardly fair to characterize the Village as the root of all evils, unless youââà ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã ¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¾Ã‚¢re trying to perpetuate the very problems that you preach against?
Both sides have distinct advantages: the village is the best supplier but has financial needs; the township is the sole demander, but has reduced resources. If negotiations break down and there is never an agreement, then I'd agree there's some definite dysfunction somewhere, but I have a feeling that the two sides will find their common ground with a service agreement in both parties favor.
I said it before and I'll say again... dissolve the Village and become one Charter Township with one government and one people. A whole lot more will get done that way and we can then move out of these dark ages we're living in and move toward making The Holly Area a better place for people to live and businesses to move to and do business in.
The costs of the services have not gone down but have grown.
Once again if you want the services why should you get them at a discount rate??????? How many times have you gone in to Kmarts and said oh gee I don't want to pay twenty bucks for this will you sell it to me for ten after all, Christmas sales are down you should be glad we shop here even if your losing money on the deal.
But again, the Village has every right to establish their own price. It seems, though, that it would be better for village residents in the long run to find a way to sell their services in order to bring additional revenue into the police department. This could help you maintain the very high level of service you now enjoy. But that's for the Village residents and your representatives to decide.
Let the township pay the same for the service. Don't move to the township and then try to grab all the services we pay for at a discount rate.
Live without them or pay your fair share.
Thank you for your advice, but let me assure you that the motor pool is being run as efficiently as is possible and that there is little if any waste there. In the past the Village purchased one new patrol car every year. That car was driven 24 hours a day 365 days a year. And soon the "new" car wasn't very new anymore. Under the current system the Village leases three new patrol cars per year, at a lower cost of a single vehicle purchase, (not this year due to budget cuts), the leased vehicles are driven 8 hours per day 5 days a week. Therefore at the end of the lease these cars have a much higher residual value than that one sad worn out car that we use to purchase every year. How's that for using our heads?
So stubborn not the extend, what they call a 'discount' to the Township... well fine, then you can decide who gets the paycut and/or lay off slip.
Congrats!
Just as an aside to your Mayor comment. I favor a "weak mayoral system" that would still require a City Manager to run the day to day operations of the city. The position of Mayor therefore would have virtually the same duties as the current position of President does today.
A Chartered Township is considered the weakest form of government as it offers the fewest services. Charter Townships recieve the least amount of state revenue sharing of any of the three recognized forms of government. Unless you think that Lansing deserves to keep more of your tax dollars? You mentioned extravagant tax increases, but the Village has lowered taxes consistantly for years. In fact over the last year your over-all tax slug has been reduced by 3.97 mills. Sorry I can't say the same for the water rates.
If the Village wasn't paying the 1 mill to the Township then we would have it to pay for assessing and elections. There is no need to increase taxes. Plus there would be an increase in state revenue sharing, and a capture of real and personal property tax. We don't chose to become a city to make a profit. We chose to become a city to end the Townships practice of taxation without representation. As for my double secret hidden agenda, former President Jeff Miller had a great retort that is most apropos, âââ €šÂ¬Ã†¦ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…“I don't care if I'm elected the first Mayor of Holly; my only wish is to be its last PresidentÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ ’¢â€šÂ¬à ƒÆ’‚ÂÂÂ.
With all due respect, "the Village is part of the Township" as you are so fond of saying. All Village and outer Township property owners pay 1 mill of tax to Holly Township each year. That's it. That is $75.00 a year on a $150,000, taxable value property. That pays for all the assessing and for the expenses for Federal, State, Local and School elections. If the Village became a City it would have to assume these expenses. cont.
A study commissioned and paid for by the Township is going to give exactly the results that the Township desires. The Village doesnâà¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ãà ‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t need to waste money on a study to know that we are subsidizing the Township and keeping your taxes artificially low. Holly Township has ridden the whirlwind of Village welfare payments long enough. Since you won't allow the Village to annex additional property to grow its tax base and in turn pay the Township's welfare payments, you leave little room for recourse. Remember Mr. Freeman the concept of cityhood was not born in Village Chambers, but rather in the Township Hall.
Of course the Holly Township Board will resist any attempt to annex land away from the Township by any governmental unit. The Village Council would do exactly the same thing.
The Village Council (or city council) cannot levy taxes without a direct vote of the people, and frankly nobody in their right mind would propose or for that matter support a city income tax. There was no "Administrative Assistant" hired for Marsha Powers. There was a Clerk/Treasurer hired, but this was to fulfill a requirement of the VillageâÃà ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ ’¢â€žÂ¢s Charter. No these are not the same people that brought you the water fiasco, that was two councils and six years ago. The current council was left holding the bag and are stuck trying to clean up that mess. Nobody tried to sneak a water rate hike onto your bill, there were plenty of public meetings before the new rate was approved. And finally could you name a single business that the administration has chased away? While I certainly support your right to comment, I have to question your message.
Council needs to review a counterproposal and stop being the "village idiots". Discuss, review and come to an agreement. It would benefit everyone.
Jim - you are also right about the monies in taxes..Too high
I would love to see the Village and Township become one again with everyone working for the better good of the community. This will take years to develop, so lets get some thoughts put together by both sides, then have a vote of the people to see what they want.
In the mean time cuts will have to occur and attitudes will have to change or none of this will ever happen.
As a Township Resident, the concern for me presently is a possible substancial increase in my taxes. The Village pays 15.82 mil's more than those in the Township. Based on a home with taxable value of $75,000, this equates to an additional annual expenditure of $1187. (about $100 per month)
Thank you!
The village is 42% of the townships entire tax base, the highest in the county. (ignoring Southfield's weird arrangement.) The next highest is Milford at 30% folowed by Oxford at 16%.
The village can not become a city without destroying the township. Villages seem to work best when they are just a small percentage of the parent township's tax base. For whatever historical reasons, the relationship between the village and the township and the village of Holly, in terms of development, is completely unbalanced and out of line with other villages. This, probably more than anything, seems to be at the heart of all the animosity.
Data here: oakgov.com/.../...
There may very well be a solution to this dilemma, but I haven't heard it yet.
If the people have the power, I think there is more desire to see this happen these days than ever before.
Wake up people, these folks are NO GOOD for The Holly Area.
Holly Murders 0
Holly Rapes 6
Holly Robberies 5
Holly Aggravated Assaults 5
Holly Property Crimes 139
Holly Burglaries 30
Holly Larceny/Thefts 103
Holly Motor Vehicle Thefts 6
Holly Arsons 1
fenton's police budget is less than holly's- fenton has twice as many residents and much more commercial property to monitor-
linden's police budget is 560,000- they have about 1/2 the number of residents that holly has-
Does Rolly think he's still in Pontiac?
Cut on the dotted line marsha-
Quoting Peter Clemens:
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